One Heritage eyes 2020 for Salford tower start

Nice looking tower, but why do they build it so close to others, it negates the idea of living in a high rise with another tower next to it?
All some residents will have is a view of someones elses kitchen if their lucky?

The gable end to The Residence (Tower to the left) is blank/stairwell.

Agreed. we have to spread the towers out more with more public realm

This is a very good looking tower. Let’s hope it get’s built with few changes. Exactly the kind of designs the city should be striving for.

Amazing scheme!

The tower looks incredible but the concourse looks bland with no real interest at ground level.

I disagree. If tall towers are built next to low rise apartment buildings they should definitely be built next to other tall towers

They’re a street width apart, not much different to any other building anywhere else. The shape of the building is triangular and slightly rotated away from its neighbour to avoid directly looking at a neighbouring property. And as AJD states, thise is next to the Residence’s ‘gable’ end wall which is mostly a blank wall.

Buyer beware. Get a legal guarantee and insurance against your view being blocked. Do not blindly believe the developer or their bonus-earning sles human.

So the people in the other tower have a great view then of the big towers rear end? Smashing, their view is ruined then, so who has the best view if any?

In Salford though ?

Towers look better in clusters rather than randomly sitting alone.This is a great scheme and this has really raised the bar for the rest when building new towers. I agree with Acelius about the concourse. Looks boring.

Absolutely amazing scheme. Talking to the developers and the architects at the consultation event last night was really uplifting and informative. GET IT BUILT.

Let’s get value engineering this down to bring it on budget.

Just read the Times and unfortunately Mancheater and Salford are un the top 20 for depervation in the UK, we need more social housing , homelessness in Manchester is the worst in UK and child poverty and suicides .

@QS Had you gone to the consultation you’ll know that this IS the value engineered design. It was originally taller and much more expensive to build. Funding is in place for this one.

Or maybe people in Manchester and Salford should stop expecting everything to be handed to them in a plate and go get a job, earn some money and get themselves a home like the rest of us have to

I have just thunk, if Hong Kongers and other foreigners are buying these flats as an investment (perhaps buying them first and then selling them on at a much higher price to themselves using money from a ‘tax haven’) or else buying to rent out they will assume like in Hong Kong that all flat towers are built without a view anyway. And their need to get their money placed abroad explains why these towers are being built in Manchester city center for foreign buyers. Or has anybody else got another explanation?

@Fran, yes Manchester is the 13th most deprived town in the UK. So this raises a few questions, are all these new jobs we are reading about having any effect? Are these new workers choosing to live elsewhere and commute? Is there a real need to build all these new high rises or will they be empty or too expensive? Is the pull of Manchester City centre mot what we think and just hype? I know quite a few people who work on Manchester and live 30 plus miles away because they prefer too and taking their wages out of the local economy. Answers anyone?

I don’t think Salford 4 ever actually understands the entire purpose of towers…. I know, lets spread out the density of the high density housing form. Makes perfect sense….

I think Manchester is like big cities everywhere in the world. People can make money in Manchester but some fall through the net. New York has more billionaires than any other city in the world but then some of the worst squalor and poverty in the Western world too. Statistics about deprivation for conurbations are a bit pointless because the differences are stark. For instance poverty in a mining village in South Yorkshire is due to the desolation of those communities and lack of opportunities.Manchester is the thirteenth poorest place in the UK but has two branches of Selfridges do how does that work?The answer is that if you get an education and work hard you can do very well in GM.

It in Salford not Manchester. They building over price flats. Which people of Salford can’t afford on the living wage. These buildings r pushing u the private rent in the housing in Salford . Pushing normal working class people out on the street.

@Fran.. I think you’ll find that the root of most of these problems is a poor education system…
That is where the focus should be on.

@AJD I don’t think you really understand what value engineering means. Value engineering can occur throughout the design and delivery process. This project doesn’t have planning permission let alone been through procurement so there is plenty of scope for value engineering yet.

It’s a win win for foreign investors.

Value of the pound goes up = they make money. Value of the property goes up = they make money. And all the while they get a nice rental yield.

Yes, very simplified but I can see why they would invest in UK property at the moment.

@Elephant Manchester is the size of Wigan compared to NY

I know it is anonymous! That was not my point, Greater Manchester which is the economic orbit for Manchester is the size of Rome with a similar population. My point was that there are opportunities to be had in GM which the people building this tower recognise. They wouldn’t build that tower in Middlesborough would they!

Most commentators agree that the UK needs to building 300K dwellings a year, and we’ve never achieved that in the 30 odd years since we stopped building council houses, the private sector doesn’t appear to have the right incentives to build much more than 200K per annum. The people who would have been in the missing 100K don’t disappear, some of them end up on the street, some in over crowding but most find their way into private rented and that displaces home ownership. The dirty little secret of not building enough social housing is that it makes more difficult for ‘educated’ and ‘hardworking’ people to own home, who would have guessed.

Metropolitan City of Rome has a population of over 4.3 million, if you are comparing metropolitian areas?
City of Manchester is about 500,000 , Rome City 2,800,00.
Nice comparison try though?

@daveboi, I like the look of the tower and think it should be a stand alone one to show off its design and not hidden from view.
Secondly, I have lived in many high rises over the world, they can be lonely places and if the only view from your window is that of a nearby tower(s) it does inhibit your life somewhat?
Most people prefer to live in houses especially families so your comments about spreading the denisty is a bit patronising to say the least.
If people want to live in towers by choice great!, but many do not have that choice and it can add to all types of health issues. If your argument is one from a purely “anorak” one of build more towers, they do have consequences for those who live in them and the environment they are in.

@Salford 4 ever —– What does any of that even say, mean or try to imply? Your argument boils down to “some people don’t like somethings, so we must not design anything that doesn’t work for all”.

Yes, many people don’t want to live in towers overlooked. Myself included, that’s why I got a 3 bed 3 floor old Victorian terrace. It isn’t for me either.

But that doesn’t mean there isn’t demand, and that it isn’t an entirely sensible approach to high density development.

Just saying it doesn’t really matter how we split hairs over populations. If we include Warrington, East Cheshire, Rossendale etc. We are almost at 4 million.

@daveboi. My observation is and I’ll repeat it again is that it is a nice building and should stand alone to be viewed in all it’s glory.
It will make a better impact in my view as a more “iconic” vision and impression for Salford.
There you go, now you can relax in your 3 bedroom, 3 floors Victorian house, well done!

While I agree with daveboi he/she (mustn’t assume these days) has the most ineloquent way of forming an argument.

@salford4ever I see your point, its a shame to “hide” a not half bad looking building but is it any different to a 5 or 10 storey building being built across the street. The street width is the same, the windows looking into eachother are the same. It’s just because they are so tall they look closer together because of the scale. It’s also the nature of the beast, high density living comes with positives and negatives and this is one of them. I recommend reading ‘cities for a small planet’ its a great little book by Richard Rogers and puts a great argument for high density living.

Also I don’t mean to brag but I have a 4 bedroom, 4 floor Victorian semi…….just sayin.

This would be a fantastic addition to Manchester’s skyline. I have a feeling that final design won’t have all the attractive curves and they’ll build another square and dull looking tower, that seems to be the trend in Manchester. Fingers crossed they won’t do that again.

My other house is a shed:)

@Elephant?